Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Autism is a complex neurodevelopmental condition that affects millions of people worldwide.
It is characterized by difficulties in social interaction, communication, and repetitive behaviors.
Although autism is becoming more widely recognized, there is still a lack of understanding and awareness surrounding the condition.
As a result, many individuals and families affected by autism struggle to find the support and resources they need.
Why Not Me The World podcast aims to bridge that gap by providing valuable information and insights into autism, fostering empathy and understanding, and promoting acceptance and inclusion.
Nashville based Music Producer Tony Mantor explores the remarkable impact his guests make by empowering their voices in spreading awareness about autism and helping break down the barriers of understanding.
Join Mantor and his guests as they delve into the world of autism and mental health to explore topics such as diagnosis, treatment, research, and personal stories.
Together, we can create a more informed and compassionate society for individuals with autism.
Tony Mantor: Why Not Me the World
Loveartpix: Overcoming Autism Stigmas, Embracing Artistic Expression, and Advocating for Neurodivergent Inclusion
Award-winning multimedia artist Dez, also known as Loveartpix, joins us to share his remarkable journey of living with autism and challenging societal misconceptions.
With a confident demeanor that often leads others to question his diagnosis, Dez opens up about the emotional hurdles and stigmas he faces.
Through his story, we aim to foster a greater understanding of neurodivergence and emphasize the importance of supporting individuals on the autism spectrum. Dez's experience sheds light on the diverse spectrum of autism, encouraging listeners to rethink preconceived notions and embrace a more inclusive perspective.
Navigating the labyrinth of mental health diagnoses, Dez recounts his tumultuous path, initially misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder before his eventual autism diagnosis provided clarity and understanding.
This revelation was transformative, especially as he prepared for parenthood, and highlights the need for neurodivergent-informed mental health services.
The episode delves into the additional layers of ADHD and racial trauma, revealing the complexities of Dez's journey and underscoring the necessity for tailored support systems and continued research in these areas.
Art emerges as a beacon of expression and empowerment throughout Dez's life. By harnessing the power of creative outlets like the Pixart app, Dez channels his focus and manages mental exhaustion, finding solace and self-discovery in the process.
His artistic endeavors are not just personal but also societal, as he works to establish a neurodivergent art focus group in a maximum security prison and prepares for a solo exhibition in Manchester.
Dez's story is a testament to the transformative power of art, and he invites listeners to share their own stories, reinforcing the message that no one is alone in this journey.
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Welcome to why Not Me, the World Podcast, hosted by Tony Mantor, broadcasting from Music City, usa, nashville, tennessee. Join us as our guests tell us their stories. Some will make you laugh, some will make you cry. Their stories Some will make you laugh, some will make you cry. Real life people who will inspire and show that you are not alone in this world. Hopefully, you gain more awareness, acceptance and a better understanding for autism Around the World. Hi, I'm Tony Mantour. Welcome to why Not Me, the World. Today's guest is Des, also known as Love Art Picks, an award-winning multimedia artist and X5 award finalist. He is currently working on a documentary in production and serves as an art focus consultant. Des is also autistic and has joined us to share his story. We definitely appreciate his participation. Thanks for coming on. How's it going? You're good, tony?
Speaker 2:yeah I've been asked to do a few podcasts before I'll turn them down because, speaking on this topic, obviously you know it's quite there's a lot of different versions of how people see it and there's a lot of stigma around it too, and I feel like there's a lot of weight on people's shoulders to say there's no kind of. One right thing to say is that you've got your own truths. Just from my own life experience, you know, I'm judged daily when I mean I'm six foot three, look a certain way, come across very confident, yet I'm questioned on when I say I'm autistic. No, you're not, it's like what you're like. And then I really and that's that's part of the trauma that I deal with even now, you know, it's like I find that traumatic that people have to say that, yeah, it's one of those kind of things.
Speaker 2:So when I was approached by, I forgot her name. I just went to ask you that the lady you messaged me yeah, that was tori. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She messaged me on LinkedIn and said, yeah, she's done this podcast. I think you'd be great on that. And then I looked up and I thought I'll be great, you know, I think because you're in the States as well, I think for me. I feel like it feels a bit out of the way, even though it's still global. You know like it feels different, though In my head it feels different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get that kind of attitude, with them saying that you're not artistic. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 2:It depends on who I'm speaking to, you know, and who says it. But I just say, well, ok, you know, because you can't argue with people. If they've got a certain version in their head, you can't tell them the opposite and they're going to believe it immediately. So I just normally say, well, ok. And I say five, ten years ago I wouldn't believe I was autistic myself until I understood it, you know. And then I say, well, what is autism? And that's why I say that to them. I say I say you don't believe I'm autistic. Well, you tell me what autism is and then every single time it's just there's a silence and it's um, it's a complete ignorance. And I really struggle with that. How people can be that, that ignorant. If I told somebody that I had cancer, you wouldn't question that. Yeah, I just feel like it's not. There's that stigma that really needs to be broken down and that's what, hopefully, I can be part of the movement to make it better for future generations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great attitude to have. That's one of the biggest issues that I think I have talking with people is the ability for others to understand what autism actually is. Really, until I started this podcast a couple of years ago, I was one of those people. I didn't know what autism was. It wasn't in my family. I didn't have any friends that were autistic. But after having this podcast and listening to people tell their stories, such as yourself, it hopefully is going to open up more dialogue where people will start understanding and hopefully it's just going to make the world just a little bit better yeah, it's definitely that and I think, like anything, I think the more you normalize it, the more it's spoken about.
Speaker 2:but, as you say, you know, the bigger problem is that there's different levels of it. People are very, um, superficial and they see things in one way and it's like oh well, that's that, I understand, it's that, therefore, it can't be that and that that is a big confusion I think people have when it's like, well, there's so many variations and since I got my diagnosis, then the immediate thing from that was I mean, you get the phone call after three years of going through the process, the drawn out process, I got the phone call and, uh, you know, I cried. It was the validation. I cried on the phone. I was like then it's like, basically, you're artistic, there you go and you think that there's some sort of, some sort of help and there isn't anything out there. You get a couple of things and luckily enough, in the area where I am, which I mean, that service is shut now I had 10 free life coach sessions, which was great, you know. So I think it was during the third session.
Speaker 2:The lady mentioned neurodivergent to me, which I've never, ever heard of, unless I've heard it in passing and not really taken notice of it. When I looked into that, that was the key moment, not just being autistic, but it was the key moment in understanding how my brain works and how I process things, to understand that there's neurodivergent and neurotypical. There's two neurotypes. That, to me, is the key and I think if a lot more people understand that, I think it will break things down and I think in terms of treatment also as well. If you treat everybody in a neurotypical, this neurotypical umbrella, mental health, mental health on this side, you know, mental health approach is essentially dangerous to a lot of neurodivergents as well. They were autistic, adhd, you know. What you're doing in that sense is not right, you know. So I think there needs to be a lot of big changes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't disagree there. So how old was you when you was diagnosed?
Speaker 2:I was 41 years old. Yeah, I'm 45 now. I mean, even in that it's opened the key to the door. You know, it's like I lived in a stadium. Analogy I've lived in like a stadium all my life. The lights have been switched off. I've been struggling around. Now the lights have been switched on and it's like I can see everything, but there's still tons to go through. I've got to go back through it. All you know and I'm trying to understand and everything does make sense going back through it, but it's just. There's tons of it and it's just. I mean I don't even feel. I mean I've spoken to a lot of people who have had a late diagnosis and they have a lot of anger because they've not been diagnosed for it. I don't have any anger towards it because I feel if I would have been diagnosed earlier, it potentially would have been a lot worse. I went through a lot of racism and I think, being autistic on top of that, with the stigma attached to it, it wouldn't have been good.
Speaker 1:So I think, at this moment in my life, it's the right time for me to process it and have a lot more understanding of different things in life, you know. So I think it's the right time.
Speaker 2:Now that you've been diagnosed, what were some of the things that led you to believe that you needed to get checked out and ultimately get your diagnosis. Yeah, um, so I was diagnosed bipolar in my in my early 20s before I call it the bipolar boom where everybody was diagnosed with bipolar. But I'd never. I got just diagnosed just before that coming into that. I'd never bipolar and I was having a lot of issues going out. And you know, I've been meltdowns, which I'm now understanding to be meltdowns and sensory overloads. I don't know what was going on. Um, and then so for 20 years, 20 odd years, I was um under the mental health system, given every medication you can take, even, um, one of the psychiatrists I've seen and said, look there's, you've had every combination you can have. What else do you want us to do for you? And I was like that's not what you want to hear, you know. So, um, then my partner got pregnant and it was like I need to get my, I need to have a better understanding of who I am now and I need to take control is to be a better father. You know, to be a good father when my son's born. Well, when my child, I didn't know it was going to be a son. So, yeah, I had to fight for that. I mean during the system, when I was in the mental of times because of the the mistakes they made. I complained about them and then there was that no, it was your fault and I had to really fight. And then they come back and then they apologize and then I said I need to sort this out. So they put me through to the head psychiatrist who said, yeah, you, you show signs of autism which had been mentioned many years ago before, but I never really kind of looked into it again. I didn't know much about it and I didn't seem like I fit in that and I should have researched it. In hindsight I wish I would have done, you know. Um, but yeah, looking, looking through that. Then that was the the big turning point. And once I looked into it, when they mentioned it and I went for the initial assessment, I was like, wow, it blew my head. I was like, how have I not known this? Everything seems to make sense. So, yeah, I got the diagnosis from that. But then, since then, I've been diagnosed with ADHD. I believe that bipolar and ADHD are very similar, as you probably know as well. The rates are very similar. I mean considering that I've taken every medication for bipolar and it's never worked, you know. And then I've now got ADHD. Yeah, I feel like it's always been ADHD and also being under the neurodivergent bracket as well. There's a lot of mixing and you know, yeah, so I feel like, yeah, that's just what it is.
Speaker 2:And then since then I would be searching even more and I looked into. There's a lot of trauma that happened which I always thought the trauma was from having racial abuse growing up, having a lot of racism. So I thought it was down to that. Obviously the autism diagnosis and I looked into that further. And there's a lot of um people who late diagnosed with complex pcsd. So I, you know, I had the therapy for that as well.
Speaker 2:Saying that when I, when I did have the therapy for that in the service, I said initially on the under the nhs, I said, um, can I speak to somebody who has an understanding of neurodivergent conditions?
Speaker 2:So I said yeah, and then they came in and then when we actually went through the therapist, they said that they couldn't kind of really finish it because their initial training is on a neurotypical model.
Speaker 2:So again, when we came down to it at the end, it was like the risk wasn't worth the reward they could have. Obviously you're visiting a lot of memories and if that could trigger more, I mean I struggle with suicide ideation. If it's something like that, then that's not they're. They're not equipped to deal with that. So it wasn't, yeah, it wasn't worth going into that. So they referred me back to my doctor and said do not re-refer. And that now I've spoke to my doctor, the other week even, and she said unfortunately at this moment in time, there isn't any services out there that can help because and which I do understand because, being having late diagnosis there there's not much research into it. It's fairly new in terms of what they understand of it. So, yeah, I think we're at that kind of stage now where there is research going into it, but it's going to take a long time before it really kicks in.
Speaker 1:How have you changed your thought process and your daily routines from the point of where you thought you might be autistic until the time that you did find that you were autistic? So how has that changed for you?
Speaker 2:the process. I'm a night person. I think a lot of um, no, divergent people are as well. You know my brain comes alive at night and so I've always been kind of creative. So I started to create artwork on an app called pixart when I'm in bed at night. That's what I do. I'm up all night. So it's just, it gives me a way of channeling my focus on whatever, rather than going down rabbit holes. What people do. You know it was.
Speaker 2:It was something that I could really focus. I wouldn't't call it, I don't call it therapy, art therapy. I call it art focus because when I'm creating, I hold my breath sometimes, but you know, when I, after I've created a piece of artwork, it's like I'm burnt out after it, mentally burnt out because I put so much focus on it. So, um, yeah, I started creating, I've created artwork, use of my life tool. Now, that helps me a lot, but also, as well, just going through going through my life thinking that I was damaged or you know which. I still think that the trauma is a massive element to that. But just to know that there's nothing wrong with me, it's, it's my neurotype, it's my condition. That's been the big. I don't know that, to realize that, no, there's not nothing wrong with you. You know which I've always thought in my life.
Speaker 2:So now, to understand that now and to understand there is a reason for it, I'm not damaged, you know, obviously, I mean, on top of that there is damage, like I said, the trauma side of things, yeah, that's made the difference, one of the things when I was diagnosed bipolar, when I was seeing the psychiatrist, they were saying to me what triggers it? What trigger on that? Well, I can't pinpoint anything. Something had just happened and that's it, and it doesn't. There's no kind of pattern to it. But when I look at it now, there is a pattern, it's just any any change in this, in the slightest pattern. You know, I could walk into a room and there'd be something out of place and that would completely throw me. You know, it can be that severe depending on how my moods are. So, yeah, now, now I have a great understanding that my partner understands that too. So you know again, it's still not, it's not perfect, it's still. I still struggle, you know.
Speaker 2:But, um, the just knowing these extra things, I can put things in place. So now, like I mean, when I spoke to you in the emails. You know I said that can we speak briefly before it. You know, just, I like to understand things. I go into something blind, you know, and when any service that I deal with I communicate and say can you just make sure you communicate? If you say you're going to ring me at this time, make sure you do. You know that these little things can have massive knock-on effects. So I'm I try to be as open as I can to people now to explain to them. So it's, I'm trying to prevent something rather than deal with it after yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1:One of the things that I like to do in my podcast is to have conversations like we're having right? Yeah, I feel that if the people that are listening hear a good conversation, they're going to follow and understand what you're saying and be more engaged, because it just seems more natural to them. Yeah, add to that that you might give me an answer that leads to another question and then it expands the conversation and things just get better from there yeah, I believe in that too.
Speaker 2:I think before I've done I've done a couple of radio um calls before. There was one that I did and that was kind of the game of the questions and I didn't like because I don't like to read over it because then I'll overanalyze it. I'd rather put on the spot to a degree and then I can get the most natural answer out. As much as the trying to give the. You know you asked me one question. I've got a million thoughts coming from my head how to answer that, which can be overwhelming. So sometimes I'll go off pattern as well. As you can probably already realize, I'm trying to answer so much things. But you know, when it's scripted, I think it's. I'm not really great with scripts, I think it's just there's the natural flow of things. I create my artwork that way as well. I have a rough idea of it, but I like it to be natural and organic.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. When did you start your artwork? Is this something you've been doing recently or all your life?
Speaker 2:I've always kind of been artistic my views and stuff like that. But the main when I started to focus on it was when going through the assessment. So it got diagnosed in 2021. So it was a couple years before that, but I really kind of focused on it more so during the diagnosis, you know, and I realized that I had a bit of a talent about it. I'd like to say that.
Speaker 2:But you know, I realized that I've got my own kind of niche and my own style and and it's helpful for me. So I wanted to get my artwork out there. And then there were certain people asking me to do a piece of artwork and I thought it was a great way to get my stuff out there. But I struggled a lot with that as well, because I have my own style, my own visions, and when people want something very specific, you could give a hundred artists the same you know list to do and they would come up with a hundred different styles of the same thing, even if I do, you know, off the briefing. So for me, I think it's just your own interpretation and if people can't see that, you've got to kind of be open. So I like to express myself in my own way. I don't have one style. I like to look at different styles and because I'm self-taught as well, I like to take different styles and try things out, try new things out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's just great. Is art your main focus now? Yeah, I mean mean art is my main thing, what I do, because I found the art now and understanding my diagnosis, um, and my neurotype at this age in my life, I want to really and I don't like I hate sounding cliche when I say it I want to really make a difference. I want to help people. If I can help anybody, I will do so. I, I use art as the tool. It's not something that I just, you know it could have been the gym. You know, when I was going through my diagnosis, I could have been going to the gym. It's just that it happens to be artwork, um, and something it really helps me in so many different ways.
Speaker 2:I think it's kind of niching that you don't have to leave the house, which I leave the house once or twice a week max. Sometimes I've not left the house in months. When I do leave the house, it takes me a lot of focus to go out. And then the burnout after it as well. I mean even this meeting now we're having this, um, this, this zoom. You know, after this I would burn out to this, the preparation mentally for this, but I'm prepared for it and I feel it's for the greater good. You know um in in many different terms, the, the art, has just really really come as as my my tool for that.
Speaker 2:But then from that now I've got my first, the first ever no divergent art focus group in um, a maximum security prison. It's never been done before that's working with um no divergent prisoners. That's the first of its kind. I'm collaborating with them. I've got a group of guys in there that's done really well that one. I've already been asked by prisons to go in there. I've got my first art exhibition which will be in manchester in the uk next year. It'll be early next year. It should have been a little late this year but there's been a few changes in that. It's my first solo, but the one I wanted to do as well. I wanted to do a couple of collaborations with other neurodivergent artists just to use my platform to help them. I've got my documentary that's been filming for two years. So yeah, everything's geared towards. They're all linked, intertwined into raising awareness and making a difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's awesome. How has it affected your family? Have they accepted it or are they learning and growing right along with you on it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think some of my wider family I mean, I keep myself to myself as I, you know, I only go out to. I only go out once, twice a week. When I do go out, if I go to family occasions, I I have a drink, and this is one thing as well that I've kind of realized later on, when people say, oh, are you all right, because when I go out I'm a very confident person, that's part of the masking, the autistic masking. So when I go out, so, and I've re-evaluated and I was thinking, well, all these times these people have seen me I've been drinking. You know, I only see these people at family do's or that.
Speaker 2:So you know it's part of the mask as well, and I do understand why people don't get it because of the level of masking. The thing that I struggle with is that if somebody, if you, if you perceive somebody so confident, um, why would they lie about something that has such a stigma around it to get attention when you don't need attention? It doesn't make sense that. I think it's a reflection of people who don't believe it rather than me, and I think that that's the sad thing about it unfortunately, it's the big unknown, it's the big misunderstanding.
Speaker 1:So many people do not even understand what autism is, so because of that, they only have their perception of what it is, which is Rain man. I had a person tell me one time she told a person that she was autistic and the comeback was well, you don't look autistic. Because of that, she wished that she hadn't told her. The unfortunate part is the understanding is just not there yet.
Speaker 2:So we just need to keep pushing all the information we can and hopefully people can get more knowledge and understanding about autism that's quite daunting when that comes up because there's a lot of personal stuff on that and that's got a big reach, you know, and it's like you know this as well, you know, but I feel like if I'm not going to do it, who else is going to do it? And that's, that's on my own thing. I know everybody is doing their own bits and but I feel like it's on me too as a human, as somebody wants to make my part in society and that's what I really want to make that change. And I I have the understanding and you know I blog about this thing as well, you know and what I know. I'm no specialist, I'm still understanding myself, but I do understand a lot more than, I would say, the average joe. So yeah, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to get it out there and, like you say, it's just, it's just talking and breaking the stigma down. Breaking that stigma down.
Speaker 2:I think everything in the world has a label. People talk about labels that's another thing and they say, oh, I don't like the label, but everything's label, male, female, yeah, we learn as babies, as children, by labeling that's food, that's water, that's vegetable. It's the perception of the label, one of the analogies I use is I mean, it's not probably the greatest one, but it's if. When people are growing up for like for boys, exactly, for example, you know. Say my son now, who's um, he's seven years old. If you asked him, does he want to be a football player when he's older, or a bin man? I can guarantee you and I know what his answer would be already. You know, and that's just the perception of that role, the famous celebrity. You know what the great, the skills. But a bin man is just as just, as you know, just as good. It's the perception of of what, what it is. So if you change the perception, we can change everything else and that's take that negativity away from it. But there's positives and negatives in everything.
Speaker 1:People have to understand that some of the most intelligent people in the history of the world were autistic. Yeah, so you're right. Perception is everything in the dynamics of what people see and what they understand about autism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they can't link that. You know, we probably wouldn't be speaking here on my MacBook now, right now. It wasn't for, you know, no divergent people, you know who think outside the box, but my exhibition coming up, I'm working with a range of no divergent artists. I think it's like seven. Seven. There is.
Speaker 2:I've got a late diagnosed lady. She's a classic violinist, so she's created a piece of music on how she feels socializing. It's about where to go with that. I've got a gentleman as well. He's 61 years old. He had a late diagnosis of autism. He's exploring his life now. He, you know, for the first time ever he's starting to it. But he's a poet, great wordsmith, so he's done a poem on masking. I've done a piece of artwork to go with that. I've got two young boys who are at school. They, they're autistic. I've done some art. We've collaborated on a piece of artwork for that. I just wanted to show the different styles and ranges just to promote that, you know, and I think the more people can see it and just relate to it. There's some good projects with them, so I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely you should be, and I love the shirt that you have on. People can't see it, but it says I woke up with autism today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's when, if I just put something out on social media today when I was going through the diagnosis once I had the diagnosis of autism you research it immediately Like it wasn't, even though I believe that I wasn't. If they would have told me I wasn't, it would have been a blow, because the way that I think as well which I think is very artistic trait is it needs to be factual to a degree. So, you know, even though I knew myself, if they didn't tell me it wasn't and it wouldn't have been and I wouldn't have said that I was. Yeah, when you go away and you research it, it's all about children, that the research isn't there in adults fully. Yet you know we're getting there now.
Speaker 2:So, um, obviously you go on social media and you look out and there was a something I come across called born anxious and kelly, who runs that her son is autistic, no divergent, and she's brought out all these. She does all these different clothing. I've done a clothing line with her as well to promote awareness and yeah, that that's, this is one of the things there and that's, that's one of the hats from the other day. I was born anxious, so, yeah, I think it's just when she starts to speak to people as well who are no divergent or just have an understanding, it just, it makes you feel like you're not on your own kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. That's actually part of my intro and outro for my podcast. Is that you are not alone in this world. What would you like to tell people that you might want to express to them about how you feel about the autism and the community?
Speaker 2:just keep um, so anybody doesn't understand it. Listen to people who are autistic, you know. Listen to people who are neurodivergent. Listen to listen with an open mind, anything that you think you know. Just just be open-minded about it. Anybody who is autistic as well, or all think that they are all struggling, just just try to listen to yourself and that that is. That is the complicated one, you know. Relationships are complicated and there's a generational thing too as well. You know, um, and you speak to people and they won't have it and that can be really damning, especially when you're trying to unmask. For me, isolating myself away from people who are negative, bringing myself away and then reaching out to people on social media social media, it can be poisonous in one aspect, like Facebook, yeah, I stay away from Facebook. I find Facebook. I don't really like that. Instagram I like Instagram. Linkedin, you know, linkedin is a great one for connecting with people globally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. I like Facebook. I get a lot of interaction on it. Instagram is pretty good for me, twitter not so much. Linkedin is good, of course. So, yeah, it's just a matter of using all of them and getting the most out of it that you can, so that it does what you need it to do, and that's really all that matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, there's a lot of platforms. In the end, and if you're trying to do them all for me, I mean promoting myself and getting the story out there, but also not just promoting, just connecting with people, and I speak with a lot of different people on Instagram. A lot of people message me daily. I have a lot more relationships with people online than I have with people my whole life. I speak with them a lot more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally get that for sure yeah, I totally get that for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just more of an understanding and I think once you have that connection, that's it, and I think that there's the less judgment as well. Maybe, you know, for people who understand it, we're on the same kind of thing together, aren't we?
Speaker 1:yeah, for sure. I think that with social media it's kind of like the real world. You have to block out all the negativity and just only deal with the people that are giving you the positive vibes that you're looking for in real life yeah, yeah, definitely, that's that's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that definitely. I mean my partner laughs I block people for fun, like I. I don't, I don't do it as much anymore because I think I block them all, but you know, I used to have so many people on it and I just think that's just too negative. That's just too negative and it's and when you're very open to these things and a lot of things can it can impact your mood, you know. So it's like there's one image and it can impact you so much. I know I don't need to see that, you know. So, yeah, I've stopped a few people on mine, yeah, I totally agree on that.
Speaker 1:Well, it's been a great conversation.
Speaker 2:I really appreciate you coming on oh no, thank you for having me on as well. You know, again, it's my first podcast that I've done. So yeah, thanks for being welcoming. How do people find you? Yeah, on Instagram it's loveartpics and the same. I mean my website's the same wwwloveartpicscouk, and any of my angles is just loveartpics. That's just easy to contact me on that well, that's great information.
Speaker 1:It's been a great conversation and, again, I've really enjoyed this yeah, definitely is.
Speaker 2:I've been nervous all day, I've been anxious about this, but yeah, you've made it really comfortable. Yeah, it's been great.
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